124 Spider ~ Coolant Confusion

[This information was originally a sidebar to the Coolants section of my Specs page, but since it was getting rather lengthy, it has become it’s own article, with photos instead]
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This is what my coolant looks like after 2 years – still a bright green

There has been quite a bit of confusion regarding the coolant to be used in the 124 Spider, much of it caused by Fiat calling out the Mopar purple Antifreeze / Coolant (# 68163848AB) that it specifies for other FCA vehicles using the 1.4 liter turbo engine, like the Fiat 500, Jeep Renegade and Dart Sport.  There is nothing wrong with using that coolant, but it doesn’t mix well (at least color-wise), with the green FL22 premix coolant that Mazda uses to fill all vehicles built at their Hiroshima Assembly Plant, including the MX-5 and our Spiders.  As you introduce more of it in with the green, the color will darken, eventually turning black.  If you develop a coolant system leak, it won’t be as easy to differentiate from other fluids.

The photo above is indicative of how the coolant reservoir appears leaving the factory, so if you purchase a new vehicle with it appearing like the photo below, someone has probably added conflicting purple Mopar coolant.  

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Looks like dealer added Mopar purple coolant.  Photo courtesy of Steve Russell. (click on it to enlarge)

Mazda also installs their metal coolant reservoir pressure cap, which specifies using FL22 coolant.   As a note of caution, that cap is for the closed-loop pressurized cooling system (small section of the reservoir on the right, along with a port leading to that pressure cap) and should normally not be opened, especially if the engine is hot.

Coolant level should normally be supplemented via the integral (unpressurized) expansion overflow tank (the black plastic cap) to keep the level somewhere between LOW and FULL.  In order for the system to not build up too much pressure, the relief valve allows some coolant to be released into the expansion tank when the coolant is HOT, but it will also eventually allow coolant to be sucked back in, as the system cools down again.  This keeps the  pressurized closed-loop system always full, but if you allow the overflow tank to go below LOW, or empty itself, not only might the pressurized system no longer be full, but in the cool-down mode, it will be susceptible to also pulling in air, which is not desirable in either the radiator or the heater core, as they become less effective, but in particular, air pockets — or hot spots — within the engine, can be dangerous, as they can overheat, crack or warp any part of the engine where air is trapped!

A hot spot is nothing more than trapped pockets of air or bubbles inside cooling system passages that prevent coolant from carrying heat away from those areas, causing that section of the engine to overheat and corrosion to start setting in.

Note that the overflow reservoir also has it’s own overflow hose, which releases excess overflow onto your engine belly pan.  You will normally not see this overflow coolant on the ground, unless the pan is unable to contain the released coolant. 

[added 5/16/2020]
I never gave much thought to this overflow hose, but since it also serves as a vent for transfer activity between the pressurized system chamber and the overflow reservoir, unlike in vehicles without bottom pans, perhaps we shouldn’t panic and assume the water pump is failing if we occasionally get a whiff of antifreeze, as this vented air is perhaps more likely to be drawn into our cabin air inflow.

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Steve’s expansion overflow tank

Anyways, getting back to the confusion over which coolant to use, Fiat has recognized and addressed the issue this year, as noted in their Mopar catalog for the dealers, and is now finally recommending Mopar # 68334695AA  Antifreeze / Coolant (or equivalent), since it too is FL22 coolant, and matches the coolant Mazda installs (including the green color).  It appears to be unusually expensive though, so if you might like to have some on hand in your garage, you might find it financially advantageous to procure this coolant at a Mazda dealer (around $20 for a gallon, if you ask nicely), rather than at your Mopar dealer.

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Mazda Coolant

Water should never be added to the reservoir, if a Premix configuration of coolant is being used, as it has already been added to that coolant.  On the other hand, if a concentrate is being poured in, allow room for adding in de-mineralized (distilled is best) water in a 55/45 ratio (55% concentrate and 45% water).  Just as in the case of topping off your lead-acid battery, the use of distilled water is very critical, not only for a proper pH balance, but to avoid introducing other minerals normally found in water (hard well water particularly) that will alter the chemical configuration.

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photo courtesy of yorksboy; just about ready for some more coolant

Per the description of Mopar’s 68334695AA Antifreeze / Coolant, it is “5-Year POAT (Phosphate Organic Additive Technology)”, and therefore doesn’t appear to be Extended Life (which is 10-year / 150,000 miles), so keep that in mind if the coolant has been drained from your vehicle’s cooling system, and isn’t going to be re-introduced (as in a coolant flush), as the originally specified purple, Extended Life Mopar # 68163848AB Antifreeze / Coolant (or equivalent) now becomes a viable alternative to the FL22 formula, along with subsequent top-offs.  If choosing alternative brands, it is most important that your coolant choice be OAT, extended life, ethylene glycol based with phosphate rust inhibitors (not silicates) and no 2-ethylhexanoic acid  inhibitor (2-EHA free).



(another great article on coolants confusion)

8 thoughts on “124 Spider ~ Coolant Confusion

  1. Just to be a bit more precise:
    The reservoir below the pressure cap is normally always filled completely, so no chance to top off your coolant via this port at all.
    Really the only option is via the black plastic cap.

    As for non OEM coolants: German company Ravenol lists some FL22 compliant products. Description claims that they’re also green.

    https://www.ravenol.de/en/products/usage/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-antifreeze-japanese-p-oat-green-konz.html
    https://www.ravenol.de/en/products/usage/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-hjc-hybrid-japanese-coolant-premix-40c.html
    https://www.ravenol.de/en/products/usage/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-hjc-hybrid-japanese-coolant-hot-climate-15c.html
    https://www.ravenol.de/en/products/usage/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-hjc-cold-climate-60c-protect-fl22.html

    These products are also available @ Amazon.

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    • I have a doubt, FCA is authorized to use the FL 22 refrigerant but was it considered that our monobloc is in cast iron? (Mx5-ND completely in aluminum) FL 22 do we know the FL 22 specifications? Thank you

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  2. I think you meant coolant 😉 and of course FCA authorized Mazda to install FL 22 into our cooling system.

    I’ve had a nice technical article link at the bottom of my article, which indicates to me (if I’ve interpreted it properly) that all of the special coolant enhancements are aimed at gaskets and the aluminum components (just about anything, including plain water, works for iron).

    Japanese conventional coolants contain no silicates, but they do contain phosphates for fast-acting protection, plus other inhibitors. Extensive Japanese tests have shown phosphates to be a good corrosion inhibitor for aluminum, and particularly effective in protecting water pumps from corrosion after cavitation erosion/corrosion.

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    • I apologize for the bad English, I read all the articles and links contained in the page (the page is fantastic and it is a great contribution for us 124ists) and just reading the link “Honda and Toyota use a new extended-life OAT coolant-made with sebacate as the only organic acid-no 2-EHA. Sebacate isn’t quite as effective in combating corrosion at lower pH levels, but because that’s more of a cast-iron issue, it apparently didn’t concern the Japanese. Both Honda and Toyota do continue to avoid silicates, but add a dose of phosphates to provide fast-acting aluminum protection, particularly to recoat the water pump after cavitation erosion/corrosion.” I came up with the doubt that the Japanese specifications are not suitable for cast iron monoblocks, or am I wrong?

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  3. I found another interesting article that states:

    Phosphate is an anodic inorganic corrosion inhibitor that works well to protect aluminum and cast iron components from corrosion. Phosphate acts as a pH buffer and is often used by Japanese car makers. However, phosphates react poorly with hard water and can form scale in the cooling system which can plug up the radiator and heater core [not a concern with premix].

    I am not an expert, so my opinions are based on what I’ve read…

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    • Very interesting! although I think FCA has adopted a convenient solution, perhaps not the best one. I study the attic well to know what is the best solution for our engine, I also asked Ravenol and Noraison for information on the correct specification to use. Your information is very useful. Thank you

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  4. After seeing some commentary regarding failed water pumps, I’ve added a paragraph to my article as I’ve convinced myself that the occasional whiff of antifreeze after a drive is perhaps not reason enough to assume my water pump needs to be replaced.

    I never gave much thought to this overflow hose, but since it also serves as a vent for transfer activity between the pressurized system chamber and the overflow reservoir, unlike in vehicles without bottom pans, perhaps we shouldn’t panic and assume the water pump is failing if we occasionally get a whiff of antifreeze, as this vented air is perhaps more likely to be drawn into our cabin air inflow.

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