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Fiat 124

FCA sure doesn’t help clear the confusion many Spider owners have thinking that our systems will compare with the Uconnect® systems in all of the other Chrysler / Dodge / Jeep / Ram / Fiat vehicles that they might already be familiar with, including the many informative app screens, Garmin navigation, Android Auto™, Apple CarPlay® and Climate control screens.   Like every other electronic module in the car except for the ECU, our 124 Spider CMUs  (Connectivity Master Unit a.k.a. the Infotainment System) are actual Mazda MX-5 components, which is why they have nothing to do with Uconnect systems.

The firmware for every CMU includes NNG’s iGO navigation software, but the option is useless until a Nav SD card containing your country’s NAVTEQ (a Nokia company) map data, is inserted in the SD card slot.  The card must remain in the slot in order for the navigation feature to function.

HERE is now the provider of NAVTEQ map data and it was also a Nokia company, but on August 3, 2015, Nokia announced an agreement to sell HERE to a consortium of three German automotive companies, Audi AG, BMW Group and Daimler AG, at an enterprise value of 2.8 billion euros. The consortium will jointly own HERE, which will continue to operate as a separate business and serve other customers besides its owners.

If you purchase your vehicle with the 7″ display screen, but without the Navigation option, know that you simply need to procure the Fiat Navigation SD card

to enable most of the Navigation features. Since you also won’t have the XM option  (which requires a “shark fin” antenna on your trunk lid), which is apparently needed to receive live traffic updates (at least in North America), that will be the one feature that will not be available to you.

I didn’t realize I wouldn’t be able to get live traffic updates when I purchased my SD card, but nevertheless, it is nice…

  • Taking advantage of the 7″ screen already permanently mounted rather than attaching an extraneous GPS device to my windshield in this small vehicle
  • Having my audio routing instructions overriding my music and routed to the driver’s left headrest speaker
  • Having my visual routing instructions to a programmed destination appear in the status bar, even when screens not Navigation related are displayed
  • Having upcoming streets appear in the status bar, even when no destination has been programmed, and even when screens not Navigation related are displayed
  • Having visual speed limit warnings, as well as notification of red light/speed cameras show up (only while in the Navigation screen though)

Some options that can be annoying (but can be turned off by going to the last icon in the Navigation screen Menu Bar which is Settings)…

  • Repetitive audio speed limit warnings can get annoying as they will stop when you slow down, but resume if you again exceed the speed limit (probably best to select “Visual Only”)
  • Repetitive audio red light/speed camera warnings will continue to be announced until you have exited that intersection (probably best to select “Visual Only”)
    nav warning settings
  • Routing around historical traffic patterns that are inaccurate (probably best to turn off “Use Historical Traffic Data” which is enabled by default, unless Live Traffic data is available).  The Detour settings apply to either Historical or  Live Traffic Data.
    nav traffic settings

If your car came with fully-functional Navigation (Bose system with XM):

  • You will be notified of upcoming traffic issues, even if you have no planned route in the NAV
  • You will be offered alternative routes to get around traffic and construction delays
  • According to this Feature Availability document, if your vehicle has the Bose system, your Spider is prepped for installing the CD player that Fiat doesn’t factory-install, like Mazda does. “Remote CD Prep” probably means that the wiring harness (also used in the Grand Touring MX-5) is tucked in near the rear bulkhead

According to many official Fiat publications, live traffic data was actually supposed to be provided via FM Radio Data System (RDS) data that is…

  • provided by Clear Channel’s “Total Traffic Network” service and broadcast as a free service at many large-city FM HD radio stations
  • is already programmed into the Infotainment software  (but disabled)
  • is enabled and working in some Mazda models, as shown in MDavis’s comment and photo 
    live traffic
  • was planned for the 124 Spider, based on the owner’s manual  ⇓
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  • Aside from the owner’s and users’s manuals, Fiat websites and other corporate brochures still claim that this feature is programmed into our Infotainment systems, as evidenced in this screen shot taken 3/25/2017  
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  • Would have been useful in my area near Chicago 
    live traffic Chicago- IL

Make sure the Navigation SD card that you purchase matches the region of your firmware (which hopefully is the region you reside in).  You can find your OS firmware version and region by selecting  Settings > System > About > Version Information.  As an example, my current version is  56.00.521 NA N, deciphered as:

Region & SatNav Suffix Legend
NA
is for North America, USA, Canada, Mexico regions ONLY  ⇐ mine
EU is for Europe, UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Russia regions
4A or ADR is for Australia/NZ/Thailand/Philippines/South Africa/South America/Oceania regions
JP is for Japan ONLY

N is the ‘SatNav’ protocol belonging to NNG (for all regions except JP)  ⇐ mine
M is the ‘SatNav’ protocol belonging to Matsukone  (exclusively for JP)

If you find your system rebooting on its own once in a while, especially near airports or large microwave towers, it is most likely strong electromagnetic interference that is disrupting the system. Airport radar or similar. My Mio C230 GPS unit was really bad in that regards due to very poor shielding. Mazda has admitted to poor shielding in the North American models, and that is the main reason why WiFi was disabled, rather than upgrading the units, as they did for other markets.

More Quirks (it sure isn’t like my TomTom)

The European origins of the iGo software sure become evident when programming a new route.  If you are going to program a new route to a state other than the one you are currently in, you will soon find out that common sense logic is not applicable here and that there is no [state] field displayed for you to change your destination state, nor can you enter your destination zip code in the [zip code] field as a means of programming the address, since the only allowable zip codes that can be entered are those within the current state.

Instead, get this, you have to select the [country] field and find your destination state.  Rather than entering “United States” and selecting amongst all 50 states, my preferred shortcut is to instead enter the first two or three letters of the state name (not the Post office two-letter abbreviation), and select from the much abbreviated list.  Once that is done, then you can enter a zip code or a city name as logic would dictate.


After entering your destination, this screen can be the most non-intuitive Navigation operation.  When I first got my vehicle, I had to get the manual out to get through this last step (the manual didn’t help; I accidentally touched the correct button).  Don’t select the displayed destination – but instead, select “Navigate To”.

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Another non-intuitive operation is saving your destination as a favorite and renaming it to something you’ll later recognize. You would think there would be some means of selecting those options while you are at the screen for your destination, but nope – you need to instead:

Add current location or destination as a favorite:

  1. Select FAVORITES from the Navigation menu or by pressing the Favorites commander button and scrolling over to the NAV tab.
  2. Select ADD/EDIT NAVIGATION FAVORITES.
  3. Select ADD CURRENT LOCATION to add the current location to your Favorites list.
  4. Select ADD CURRENT DESTINATION to add the current destination to your Favorites list.
  5. Select ADD FROM CONTACT to add a contact address to Favorites list; press name of contact to be added.

Then to change the name of a favorite destination:

  1. Select ADD/EDIT NAVIGATION FAVORITES.
  2. Select RENAME.
  3. Select the destination you want to rename; keyboard is displayed.
  4. Input new name.
  5. Select OK to store new name.

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How to Enter an Address Using Voice

  1. Press the talk button on your steering wheel, which should look like a person speaking.
  2. When you hear a beep, say “Navigate to New Address.”
  3. Pronounce the full address for the destination you want to reach. Include the building number, street name, city and state.
  4. It’s possible the system may pull up multiple addresses, but usually, the first one on the list will be the one you’re looking for. If the address in the first line is correct, say “Line 1” to select it.

How to Enter an Address Using Contacts

Many people are unaware that another method of programming waypoints and destinations is to store them as Contacts in the phone you pair with your vehicle.  Note that you may need to add some digits in the phone number field to insure that the “contact” shows up in your Contacts screen.  This method saves you from having to enter all of the address information, as you’ll instead…

  • push the rotating knob down on the address of your contact which will automatically open your Navigation screen
  • push down once more, and you are on your way

Using contacts as waypoints can be very useful for pre-planning and creating multi-waypoint routes.  See this article for more details.


Fixing errors in the maps

When it comes to “House Number”, the actual street address, it seems like half the destinations I attempt to program in are unknown to the map database, so don’t be surprised if you end up unable to program in your intended destination (YOU’RE LOST!) using this Navigation system once in a while.

In theory, by going to Here Maps Creator, you can add details or correct existing information that you find in the maps that will hopefully be incorporated in the next maps update, but how many of us will actually make a note of doing so once we arrive at home?


Installation

navigation button

  • ⇓  To install your SD card, just push down, at the same time trying to pull out the top portion of the SD cover, which is to the left of your USB ports.  The cover is hinged on the bottom, which is why you want to concentrate on the top-side. However, if you would rather not risk breaking your fingernail, using a small flat-blade screwdriver and gently prying the top of the cover away at the centered indent, is much easier!
    sd-card-slot⇓  I personally feel that Mazda should have retained the SD card slot cover design they had in the 2014 models with the convenient finger pull (shown below).usb-ports-2014
  • After opening, insert your SD card label-side up (with vehicle turned OFF!), all the way in and let go.  It should spring back out a tiny bit so that you know it has latched itself into place.
    sd-card-slot-open
  • Close the cover and either start your car or push the start button once (without pushing in the clutch or brake) to put the car in auxiliary (AUX) mode
  • Select Navigation from the main menu and observe that Navigation starts up
  • Navigation will load in 30 to 90 seconds
  • The GPS will find satellites in 1 – 5 minutes, display a map indicating your location and will then be ready for you to program in a destination
  • Note: To remove the SD card (with vehicle turned OFF!), don’t just pull the edge of the card, but instead push the card all the way in and let go, allowing the card to eject partway – then you can pull it out.

Thoughts:

  • I wonder if the dealers convinced Mazda to “hide” the SD slot so that they could get customers to both purchase and pay for “installation” of the Nav option (approx $500+)   😉
  • Then again, maybe being so obvious with the slot cover labelled “SD”, too many people unknowingly tried loading music files or otherwise corrupting the Nav card and running up the warranty bill.


Navigation Guidance Volume

[Added 8/14/2017]

The volume for all Navigation related audio instructions that are fed to the left door speaker and the left speaker in the driver’s seat headrest, is independent of the Entertainment audio volume and can be adjusted with either volume control ONLY while the guidance announcements are being made or by going to the last icon in the Navigation screen Menu Bar (Settings) > Guidance Settings > Guidance Volume and adjusting to a comfortable level for the current journey’s road noise.  One feature that I really wish would be incorporated is a MUTE function for Navigation audio guidance.


Backing up / Updating your SD card Maps

[Updated 11/17/2016, 1/28/2017, 3/1/2017, 7/31/2017, 4/6/2018]

A new SD Nav card has the following 2 files in the contents folder:

cardnotused.txt.sgn
cardnotused.txt

and naturally, you can not use the the Fiat Connect Toolbox to backup or update the Nav card in this NEW state.  It must be activated with your VIN number first by installing it into your vehicle.  When the CMU detects a new SD Nav card in it’s slot:

  • those 2 files are deleted
  • an encrypted file device.nng (containing your initial GPS fix, VIN number, etc.) is created in the license folder; your card is now “VIN-half-locked”
  • your vehicle will now need to be driven 62 miles (100 kilometers)
  • if the card is still inserted, it will now become “VIN locked” to your vehicle (CAUTION – if the card is inserted into any other vehicle before the 62 mile lock-in, the card will VIN lock to that vehicle instead)
  • after the card is VIN locked, it will then be ready for updates via Fiat Connect Toolbox
  • the Toolbox update will re-write the 2 aforementioned files into the contents folder (I’m guessing for processing the license files, as I’ve observed that they are again deleted by the CMU)

If you purchase a Nav card and it doesn’t work (you get the message “Invalid SD card”), after ensuring that the write-protect lock isn’t engaged (tab should be “up”), look in the license folder and see if it contains the device.nng file.  If it does, you may have actually purchased a “used” card that is either VIN-half-locked or VIN-locked, as per the illustration just above the Compass section below.

If the card is compatible with your vehicle, the Toolbox will result in a screen like this:
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It’s now March of 2017 and I’ve given up on the North American Fiat 124 Spider Connect site ever working, even though that is the link Fiat is emailing to new vehicle purchasers. The Mazda and Fiat Connect Toolbox (map update) sites are actually managed by HERE MapCare.  I suspect that there may be a VIN platform verification in place (NE or NF), since I’ve verified that the Mazda Toolbox won’t accommodate the Fiat SD card.

Thanks to a European blog reader (thanks Andrea!), I discovered that North American 124 owners can go to the European Fiat 124 Spider Connect site to download Toolbox (runs in Windows, but an OSX version is now also available) and alerted all my blog readers:

  • a map update dated February 2018 is available!  
  • works just fine with your North American SD card
  • is reported to also work with Navigation cards from all other global regions (except Japan).
  • backing-up and restoring your card can be done there as well.
  • if you have difficulty running the toolbox, you may need to select “Run as administrator” and make exceptions in your firewall and anti virus settings.

If you have a PC, you can manually copy all files in the SD to a folder within your Documents folder. Better engage the lock on the SD card before you do that with a Mac though, to prevent incompatible files from being added to the card.

Questions have come up as to whether the Nav cards available on eBay in the $100 range (vs. $400+ from the dealer) are legitimate.  The only way the eBay cards can be clones is if these vendors are either able to change the CID (serial #) of the card to match the source, or if they know the algorithm to change the lock code to match the CID of the target SD cards. Just making plain copies of an official card will not work.

The cards may look like mass-produced copies from a master, but each one is actually produced individually so that the license is locked to an embedded CID number (similar to a serial number) put there by the SD card manufacturer.

Once you’ve inserted the card in your vehicle and driven it 62 miles (100 km), your card becomes VIN-locked (rather than CID-locked), meaning it will only work in your vehicle. This would be an ideal time to backup your Nav card once again, as you will now be able to restore the files onto a different SD card should your original card become unusable, and that copy will also function for your vehicle only.  

One large advantage to this ability is that you can purchase a faster, larger-capacity Ultra SDHC Class 10 card (8 GB is adequate), and after formatting it FAT 32 and copying the files from your original VIN-locked card onto it, use that card instead – so that, in theory, not only should your Nav boot up quicker, but should future updated map files grow in size, you won’t have to worry about your card conceivably becoming too small.   The hardware is said not to be compatible with SDXC though, so don’t try those cards (this may not be the case for 2017 vehicles and newer, but I’ve yet to confirm).

Based on my experience, if the backup-card copy (which will also be VIN-locked to your car) doesn’t work in your vehicle directly, it should after you update the card using the 124 Spider Toolbox .   Then you are able to put aside your original card in case you ever need Navigation related warranty work done or need to create another backup. Now that I’ve switched to my Ultra SD card copy, I don’t feel that my Navigation loads up any quicker, but it could be that the newer map version has more data to load into memory.

If you’re using a smaller laptop with a limited size SSD, be aware that the toolbox will leave about 15GB of cached map data behind!  On Win 10 you can find it in the  C:\Users\{your user name}\AppData\Roaming\Visteon  folder (which can be deleted).

So just to reiterate…

  • restoring the card using the Toolbox is different than copying the card
  • after your card is VIN-locked, the license is no longer paired to the CID, so copies of your card will also work in your vehicle
  • you should not add your own files (music, audio books, etc.) to these cards as that will result in errors

The Mazda diagram below explains why you shouldn’t try to use your Nav card in vehicles other than the one your card is intended for…


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Compass

[Updated 11/24/2016]

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Another of the main complaints I, and many others, have with this system is the lack of a compass.  If you don’t have Navigation, you’re shown a nice compass screen in an effort to entice you to purchase/install the Nav SD card so that you’ll then have Navigation, and guess what, you’ll never see that (or any other) nice compass again, at least not while you’re in the predominant 3D cockpit view.  In 2D-North Up view, you’ll be able to visualize the direction you are travelling, similar to the Where Am I view, but a simple compass, where the red needle pointer aligns itself with North?  –  Nope.

map-manip
Some point to the compass button in the map manipulation view (shown above), but that is not a normal viewing screen, and the compass serves more as a toggle button between 2D-North Up view and 2D-Route Up view.  You can change from the cockpit view to the map manipulation view by swiping the screen or by moving the Commander knob up/down/left/right (rotating the knob zooms in/out).

Suggestion to NNG:  I feel that an ideal software improvement would be to affix the already created compass button (from the map manipulation screen) into the bottom right corner of the Route Up cockpit views, when the Navigation Menu bar is hidden (as shown below). Unlike your placement of the compass button in the  map manipulation view, it would be non-intrusive and wouldn’t need any separate display/no-display toggle capability.
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Turbo gauge?

[Updated  3/1/2017]
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There’s the missing compass!

The MX-5 RF is debuting a new cluster gauge (the left-most gauge) which is actually a TFT (color) screen presented in a similar style to the mechanical gauges, but which can be customized to show a variety of different information, unlike our LCD info screen which is very limited in it’s capabilities.  It is officially called the 4.6″ Multi-Information color TFT display and I bet a turbo boost gauge could easily be accommodated in place of the unused monotone water temperature gauge (the color version functions nicely).

Anyways, it appears that a compass has been added to the primary screen to make up for the deficiency in the Navigation screens (and no Heads-Up Display).  The 2018 124 Spider is also supposed to come with the upgraded Multi-Information TFT Display, but if so, you’ll need to order the Technology package to get it in the Classica model.  Read more on this subject here.

I wonder if it will include a turbo boost gauge 😉

[Updated  1/6/2018]
Apparently the new cluster debuting in the RF has a significant battery drain issue when the ignition is off and the cruise-control has been left on prior to shutdown.  This was only recently discovered as the root cause and a software update will be introduced that will insure that cruise-control is turned off during shutdown.  Perhaps the last minute discovery of the issue without knowing the root cause explains why Mazda recommended delaying the implementation of the new the new cluster gauge into MY 2018 124 Spiders along with soft top versions of the MX-5.
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39 thoughts on “Navigation

    • Thanks Andrea!
      Good find. I’ve been checking http://fiat-en-us.fiatconnect.com/navigation-updatemymaps on a regular basis and keep getting this message:

      UPDATE MY MAPS — NOTICE: The Toolbox is not yet available. The Naviextras Toolbox is required to update your maps. Please check back soon to download the Naviextras Toolbox to your PC as soon as it becomes available.

      I am a Fiat/Chrysler Retiree, so I am supposed to be able to get 25% discount on Mopar parts, however my dealer explained that this would be below dealer cost on this part, so he instead accommodated me by offering me cost + 10% (which worked out to about 17.5% discount). My dealer happened to have the part in stock. This seems like a high-profit item, but in this case, apparently that profit is claimed by someone other than the dealer. If you ask nicely, your dealer should honor 10% off (maybe 15% at the most) on the Nav SD card (pn 68334173AA), especially if you bought your Spider there 😉 and it retails for $395 in the Parts department, just like the Mazda equivalent.

      I recommend not going to the Service department to add the Nav option, as you will most likely pay retail PLUS around $110 labor (1 hour increment) for them to install – which is ridiculous, as they are simply inserting the SD card into it’s slot.

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      • Hi,
        forgot to mention I’m Italian 🙂
        here, the retail price for the SD is around 680 USD taxed.
        As soon I got the car and have a bit of free time I’ll try the AIO tweaks and I will report back the FW version for the EU Abarth CMU

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  1. Your suggested site does mention free European map updates, so I thought that you might be somewhere in Europe. Anyways, 124 Spider Toolbox just updated my backup Ultra SD card to the “September 2016” maps! and now that card also works in my vehicle!
    Thanks again Andrea!

    U.S. Fiat & Mopar are VERY slow! You’ve already had your Italian 124 accessory catalog printed for 3 months now, your Toolbox website is up and running, and us – nothing.

    Congrats on the great Abarth 124 purchase – you’ll have 8 more horsepower than me, and from what I’ve read, you’ll really notice that extra bit 😉

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  2. Ameridan,

    I tried copying the files from the Nav card to my PC and then copying them to a ScanDisk Ultra Plus 16GB, 80MB/Sec card. When installed in the car, the navigation system booted and the topographical map was there, but there were no streets. What did I do wrong?

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    • I’m not sure. I guess I would try one or several of these options:

    • – repeat again using copy and Paste (not dragging files)
    • – compare the files to your original
    • – use Fiat Toolbox to update your new card
    • – use a Ultra card (vs. Ultra Plus) as the reader may not be up to 80MB/sec? (According to this user, your card should work.)
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  3. Anyone know it’s possible to replace the annoying “You are over the speed limit” announcement with a different sound such as a more discreet ‘ping’. I believe this is Igo software but can’t any files to alter on the SD card? I’ve been looking at different sites but with no luck so far.

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    • I’m quite sure the announcements are Text-to-Speech (TTS), not audio files, so your idea would not be an easy task. Second, there is no software on the SD card, only data relating to maps, POIs and TTS responses. The hacks you are hoping for would involve the CMU and in my opinion, aren’t worth the effort. Try changing the settings to visual only, and leaving the Nav screen on for the majority of your travelling. The speed limit box turns yellow and red and the red light cameras show up in that box as well. It works for me.

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      • I suspected the hacks would be CMU based after looking on the card. I know the warning annoucement can be switched off and the speed info on the display goes to red but I like an audio warning as well – just not that annoying spoken warning!

        By the way this is an excellent blog. Thanks for all the useful info!

        Dennis

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  4. Thanks Dennis. In theory, your best bet would be to change the message from “You are over the speed limit” to “Ding” or something equivalent so that the TTS version of that is more pleasing. 🙂 I am not aware of which file that is located in though.

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  5. I had mentioned that to Dennis already, but he responded “I know the warning announcement can be switched off and the speed info on the display goes to red but I like an audio warning as well – just not that annoying spoken warning!”.

    The visual is enough for me though. 😉

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  7. Would you suggest purchasing a navigation SD card not from Chrylser/Fiat but from an internet (eBay/Amazon) dealer at a greatly reduced cost?

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    • Back when I bought mine, nobody was offering the card for the Spider. That said, I would consider purchasing one online, as long as the vendor stands behind their product, but I won’t go so far as “suggesting” avoiding the dealer. They need enough business to warrant being in existence and available when and if your vehicle needs service.

      So far, I’ve bought my Mopar splash guards and Nav card, as well as my Fiat floor mats, from my local dealer – so I guess I’m doing my part. 😉

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  8. I just downloaded the tool box and plan on updating my card tomorrow. I also bought a 32GB San Disk SDHC Ultra, UHS-1 card to make another copy. After updating the original card I plan on copying it to a folder on my PC then loading onto the spare SD card I bought. By doing that there should be no need to update the spare card on Tool Box. Is that a correct assumption on my part? Also, in FAQ in the tool box, it talks about payment. I’m hoping this doesn’t apply to me since the card I’m currently using is the one that came with the car.

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    • Hi Bill. In reality, you could skip making a backup card, since you’ll have a backup on your PC, which is probably again backed up in the cloud. I made my original the card to set aside, thinking that the Ultra might also be faster, but after a year of use, I’m not aware of it actually loading any faster. But your assumption is correct as well – you can keep using the original, rather than the copy, if you like.

      The toolbox will make note of the date your card became locked to your VIN, and won’t actually require any payment until 3 years after that date.

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  9. Phew. This was a long post, and after installing the desktop app, I too was wondering about the payment requirement. As you’ve noted, we should get North American updates for free for three years after the VIN lock date, correct? It just automatically downloaded the new content. Follow up dumb question: the stock SD that came with your vehicle… was it large enough to handle the new content, or did you have to buy a new, larger SD card? Once again, thanks as always for your patience and support.

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  10. Yes, I covered quite a bit of material 😉

    I don’t know about the size Cal, because I just stored the original card away, and have not tried updating it. The Ultra SD card I bought is 8GB and it has worked fine thus far. I don’t recall what size my original card is, but since it is OEM, if I discover that it becomes too small for updates, I imagine it would be replaced under warranty with a newer, larger card.

    I haven’t gotten around to obtaining the July 2017 update yet.

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    • How specifically did you get your backup SD card to work? When I read the instructions it always seems to talk about inserting the original nav SD chip so the desktop app can access it. I have to ask, but can you provide a step by step of how you created your backup SD from the original? Greatly appreciated as always.

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  11. Just ignore the word “original”. After VIN locking, the toolbox can’t tell the difference.
    OK, a step-by-step guide:
    Step 1 – Copy all of the files from the original onto a newly formatted new SD card (optional: also copy them to a backup folder in your Documents folder in your PC).
    Step 2 – Eject SD card.

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  12. Post update review:

    Well, I happened to find a nice 16GB Panasonic SCHC Class 10 SD chip laying around in my collection, and decided to re-purpose it. I did a quick format with no name as FAT32. Then, I took my OEM SD Nav Data card from my vehicle, locked it, and copied the content into a folder on my desktop. I then copied that information onto my Panasonic card. I fired up the Map Update Toolbox and it immediately recognized the new card… and then chugged along for a few minutes while it confirmed it as authentic. The Toolbox then requested that I create a user profile (First and last name, email account and password). It then sends you an email that you click on a link in to authenticate and activate your account. You then state your location in the Toolbox, and the download of information begins. I could be wrong, but I think the download includes all of Canada, the US, and perhaps Mexico. I think it took around 10 or 12 minutes to download the data, and then begins to update your SD card.

    Now in my case, this is where things went slightly off the rails. It copied to about the 80% mark and then failed due to “loss of communication with server or problem with SD card”. I tried it again with the same result. I then used the Toolbox utility to check the card for errors, and it flagged a couple of /street.zip files (I think there may be one of these files for each state/province?).. At this point, I ejected my Panasonic card, unlocked my OEM card, and inserted it into the PC. The copy and update process completed without errors. I then ejected the OEM card, re-locked it, and copied the new content to my desktop again as a backup.I then quickly re-formatted the Panasonic card, copied the new, updated content onto it from my desktop, and then ran the Toolbox again. This time it completed the update process without errors. Given that it’s currently -12C, I’m screwing up the courage to go out into my un-heated garage and insert the new card and test it, but I doubt if I’ll experience any issues as the Toolbox validated it as being good to go.

    Two final points. First, once you’ve copied the new content down using the Toolbox, it doesn’t repeat the download again if you restart the application. It also recognized that I had the new content on my Panasonic card, and completed the data transfer much, much faster than the first time around. I suspect it looks to replace just the files that need to be changed, and leaves the rest intact. The second point I would make is that I was surprised at the size difference in the updated map data. The OEM 8GB card from when I took possession of the vehicle in January of 2017 was 4,977MB. After the update, the size of those files increased to 5,512MB. That’s nearly a half GB of additional data, or a 20% increase from what was on the OEM chip. Overall, I’m very pleased at how this went, and want to thank everyone for their guidance in the process.

    Please forgive me for the long reply.

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    • Cal, great reply and step by step guidance. This is exactly what I need to guide me through making a backup nav card. My computer skills are advanced beginner at best and I think post like this are what a lot of us are looking for.

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      • Thanks Dan… Thanks Bill… Hard to believe, but in my prior to retirement life, I was an IT Manager. That’s a short way of saying I hired a lot of skilled staff to do things I didn’t know how to. lol

        Joking aside, I find it helpful to make detailed notes as I go through any new software/hardware/firmware update or installation process. Two main reasons for that. First, it keeps you from having to remember what you did if you have to repeat several months later, and secondly, it provides good troubleshooting information when things don’t go according to plan. Some habits are hard to break. 🙂

        I did suck it up and went out to insert the new SD card in my Abarth yesterday afternoon, and it fired up nicely. I was able to do a search for a new address destination and all came up seamlessly. Once spring comes again and I can get the baby back on the asphalt, I’ll have a better feel for if the faster SD card makes any difference in the performance of the navigation system itself. For the next six months (if I’m lucky), all I’ll be able to do is reminisce about the joy of driving top down, with what little hair I have left blowing in the air.

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  13. Has anyone else noticed the ‘next junction’ info boxes when navigating on a motorway (not sure it applies in the states). If you press on any of them you get info/distance on any local services, fuel, eats, service etc.
    Great, except that by default you can’t select them on the touch screen while driving and there doesn’t appear to be any way to select them with the rotary dial??
    I have installed the fix to enable the touchscreen while driving (big thanks to this blog) but otherwise this seems a bit ridiculous that there is a feature meant to be used/useful while driving that you cannot actually access while driving!

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    • Yes, if you enable the feature they do appear on Canadian vehicles, which leads me to strongly suspect they show up in the US as well. My take on it is that its intended as a guide so that if you’re running on vapors that you know which of the upcoming offramps will give you access to a service station. Most times I don’t have a co-pilot, and I would be reluctant to start mucking around trying to change my nav to include a waypoint for refueling while on a freeway. Once I’m safely off the main highway, I can easily find a spot to pull over to search for my options. That’s just my take on it, and as always, not everyone will or needs to, agree.

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      • Totally agree, you are of course right about not messing with it while driving. Having said that one screen press would give you type of services available and distance without leaving the motorway (which you can’t stop on, certainly in the UK). For me, one screen press is a lot easier and safer than using the control knob and trying to land on the bit you need to press on (although in this case the knob won’t let you navigate to junction services but this is the only action it won’t let you do as far as I can tell) If Fiat/Mazda wanted to make it safe they should have disabled the lot, how anyone came to the conclusion that using the control knob is OK but pressing the screen isn’t is beyond me.

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  14. Ik kan mijn navigatiesysteem het kaartje niet up to date maken via de pc . Rij met 124 spider Fiat . Wanneer we het kaartje willen up to date maken via de pc slaat hij vast 0p 90 percent en doet hij niks meer . Hebben deze uitvoering gedaan op 3 pc. Wat kunnen we nu nog doen want in België is de wet aangepast van 90 naar 70 . En overal geeft lijn navigatiesysteem de verkeerde informatie.

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      • Dan, it’s Dutch. Using translate.google.com from the desktop, paste the text in the entry field, and choose the auto detect language option. Good thing Google figured it out… I was initially leaning towards something like Finnish or some other Scandinavian language. lol

        Here’s what Google translates it to:

        “I can not make my navigation device up-to-date via the PC. Drive with 124 spider Fiat. When we want to make the card up to date via the PC, he hits 90 percent and he does nothing more. Have this implementation done on 3 pc. What can we do now because in Belgium the law has been changed from 90 to 70. And everywhere navigation system gives the wrong information.”

        It sounds like he may have hit the same hurdle I did when I went to update my navigation data. If you want to pass on what I did, this would be the translated version, with the addition of a caveat at the beginning to say that if he’s uncomfortable with this that he might be better off speaking with his dealership’s service department. Here’s the translation of my edited content for his use. The risk is that it probably makes as much sense as his comment did when translated to English. I find automated language translation doesn’t work very well, unless you’re translating very basic, very short sentences.

        “Ik kwam ook een probleem tegen waar mijn update mislukte met ongeveer 80% voltooiing. Het volgende is wat ik deed om een ​​update en een duplicaat van de originele OEM SD-navigatiechip met succes te voltooien. Als u zich hier niet prettig bij voelt, raad ik u aan om de update te bespreken met de serviceafdeling van uw dealer. Dit is wat ik deed:

        Nou, ik vond toevallig een mooie 16 GB Panasonic SCHC Class 10 SD-chip in mijn verzameling en besloot hem opnieuw te richten. Ik deed een snel format zonder naam als FAT32. Vervolgens nam ik mijn OEM-SD-navigatiegegevenskaart uit mijn voertuig, sloot deze en kopieerde de inhoud naar een map op mijn bureaublad. Ik heb die informatie vervolgens naar mijn Panasonic-kaart gekopieerd. Ik startte de Toolbox voor kaartupdate en herkende de nieuwe kaart onmiddellijk … en rookte een paar minuten mee terwijl deze als authentiek werd bevestigd. De Toolbox heeft vervolgens gevraagd om een ​​gebruikersprofiel te maken (voor- en achternaam, e-mailaccount en wachtwoord). Vervolgens wordt u een e-mail gestuurd waarin u op een link klikt om uw account te verifiëren en te activeren. Vervolgens geeft u uw locatie op in de Toolbox en begint het downloaden van informatie. Ik denk dat het ongeveer 10 of 12 minuten duurde om de gegevens te downloaden en begon vervolgens je SD-kaart bij te werken.

        In mijn geval is dit waar de dingen niet goed afliepen. Het werd gekopieerd naar ongeveer het 80% -teken en vervolgens mislukt vanwege “verlies van communicatie met de server of probleem met de SD-kaart”. Ik probeerde het opnieuw met hetzelfde resultaat. Ik heb toen het Toolbox-hulpprogramma gebruikt om de kaart op fouten te controleren en het heeft een paar /street.zip-bestanden gemarkeerd (ik denk dat er mogelijk een van deze bestanden is voor elke staat / provincie?). Op dit moment heb ik mijn e-mail verwijderd Panasonic-kaart, ontgrendelde mijn OEM-kaart en plaatste deze in de pc. Het kopieer- en updateproces is zonder fouten voltooid. Ik heb toen de OEM-kaart verwijderd, deze opnieuw vergrendeld en de nieuwe inhoud opnieuw als back-up naar mijn bureaublad gekopieerd. Vervolgens heb ik de Panasonic-kaart snel opnieuw geformatteerd, de nieuwe, bijgewerkte inhoud naar de desktop gekopieerd en vervolgens uitgevoerd de Toolbox opnieuw. Deze keer voltooide het het updateproces zonder fouten.

        Nog een laatste punt. Nadat u de nieuwe inhoud met de Toolbox hebt gekopieerd, wordt de download niet opnieuw herhaald als u de toepassing opnieuw start. Het erkende ook dat ik de nieuwe inhoud op mijn Panasonic-kaart had en voltooide de gegevensoverdracht veel, veel sneller dan de eerste keer. Ik vermoed dat het alleen de bestanden die moeten worden gewijzigd lijkt te vervangen en laat de rest intact.”

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  15. Thank you Cal. Willem, if you purchased your card from the dealer, or it came with the car because you had the Navigation option, as Cal stated, you might just take it to your dealer explaining that Toolbox isn’t functioning properly for you, and have them update the card for you under warranty. Also, make sure the card has enough capacity, as the European database is over 7 GB – 2 GB more than the North American database. Hopefully you made a backup copy before doing all of this, as I advised, and if so copy that to a new SD card that is larger than the original (an 8 GB card may not be large enough), so that you know it has enough room for the updated download, and try updating that card instead.

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    • There was an issue with the Sept update where the update failed. This was, however, corrected in December (Took some time to convince Naviextras that is was their end) All working for me now and the Euro update does all fit on the 8GB SD card. Good luck with the dealer. In wrestling with the Sept update I (and others I’ve spoken to) had no luck from the dealers or Fiat customer care who a) thought it was a TomTom system b) Thought the update was direct to the car and c) had no idea what to do anyway

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  16. Just updated to the Feb 2018 release myself. Thanks for the heads-up Bill. I updated the article to reflect that as well. I notice in the name of the license file for this update “Toyota_Scion_Blue_NA_2017_Q2_…”, which implies that the updates are almost a year old when published.

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